Chihuahua Opinions?

[wind.dial]

Alot of people dont realize its the breed club that makes the rules regarding standard, the AKC just records the information and tracks the pedigrees and sponsors the shows to judge the dogs according to the breed club set standard. If any changes are made to the standard it is motioned by the breed club to do so and it is done in what ever way thay have set up to do it, not the AKC. After a change has been approved they submit the info to AKC. Every AKC recognized breed has its own governing body. If someone doesnt like the way the standard changes or how often it changes they need to take that up with the breed club, not AKC. Most other registries use the published standards printed by the AKC but again determined by the breed club as their guidlines for what a breed should look like but rarley do these registries ever enforce bad breed examples or encourage good breed examples in the form of showing. I have seen so called CKC (Continental) registered Corgis in a totally impossible color for the Pembroke. There is without a doubt some monkey business going on in that dogs pedigree and the papers should be pulled. The Pembroke was a blue merle with tan markings. Blue merle is accpetable in Cardigans but there is no such thing in Pembrokes, not even crazy recessives. There are just plain blues although they are still DQ faults but no merle what so ever.

[man best friend]

I don't think they sould change the deer head to a another breed name they are the .first chihuahua breed and change for what akc they don't rule the dog s world anymore

[man best friend]

OH WHEN IT"S CKC IT IS SO CALLED

[wind.dial]

It sounds like deer chihuahua breeders need to get together and set a unified standard in which to try and breed for. Get them selves a club together and try to get recognized by some of the other showing associations such as IABCA and Rarities so that breeding stock can be evaluated. If the deer chi breeders arent breeding towards a goal in type they arent really breeding for deer chihuahuas are they? There is more to a dog than the length of its snout and legs. I also have a suggestion, perhaps call it the Stagg variety Chihuahua. I think there is some other breed that has Stagg as some sort of description in either coat or style. It is still a Chi but its of the Stagg variety just like a long hair dachshund is still a dachshund it just has long hair and needs specified for sake of record keeping and showing. I also didnt say AKC ruled the dog world, the breed clubs rule their breeds. AKC just prints stuff out on pretty paper and will take that pretty paper away if you arent being honest. A very good example of this is what the people who are trying to get the Mini Australian SHepard recognized, they are going through the steps I just suggested and are trying for AKC recognition. They have been recognized by other reputable registries and I think NSDR even recognizes them which is the National Stock Dog Registy. MASCA (Miniature Australian Shepard Club of America) is not yet accepted by AKC but they have a pretty strict standard in which to abide by in order to be issued MASCA registration. They are evaluating breeding stock and have a pretty good thing going. I hope they get recognized someday as they are working very hard for it. Deer head chi breeders need to get together and do the same thing.

[man best friend]

I DID NOT SAY YOU SAID AKC DON"T RULES THE DOG WORLD ANY MORE I SAID IT. THE ONLY THING I SAID THAT CONCERN YOU PERSONLY WAS IT IS SO CALLED CKC

[shedevilx15]

wow people, calm down on the caps, its harder to read, and its hard to tell if you are yelling at someone, or just have it on caps lock. lol


I agree with wind.dial, if people want to keep breeding the deer chi's, then they need to form some sort of alliance with other breeders and make it be known as a set breed. It obviously will take work, but can be done. I mean, yea the AKC can be strict, but when they have tons of people all in favor, they can't always turn them down, it makes them look bad. You can always "persuade" any club into doing pretty much anything as long as you have the firepower (the people) all fighting for the same cause.

So do it, all you chi breeders that breed the deer chi's. make us proud

[Riocotesei]

I think that is a very good idea, and I think stag chihuahua or something around that would sound cool. As far as standard, they could just copy most of the things from the AKC standard....lol and have applehead as a fault...
I just think there may be too many peeople out there that think it's wrong to have a deer type in the first place. There would be alot of adversity I think.
So how many peeps are out there that want to do it?

[wind.dial]

The Mini Aussie people also have some adversity to deal with but they have a lot of firepower all of their own and it is growing.

[man best friend]

Deer head chihuahua breeder don't have to change any thing !! You can register your deer head chihuahua as a chihuahua purebred with ckc and if we are ckc breeders why sould we give a d-- about akc standard And it look to me some people on hear are talking about what a chihuahua sould look like according to akc. SEIBERSKENNEL HAS A NICE CHIHUAHUA ON THIS DISCUSSION PAGE And i would bet some of them don't know what type it is. And seiberskennel its not a factor in how long the legs is to determine if its a deer head or apple head some many breeders use smaller stud to down size and make there pups smaller and the legs get shorter the head and ears will tell you if its a deer or apple head and yes some breeders has mix deer and apple head so many time sometime it make it hard to tell which one it is

[shedevilx15]

[wind.dial]

mans best friend, I am not implying that the deer chi breeders to anything with AKC but it would be a benefit to the breed and the type for there to be a set standard. What angle is the head plane supposed to be on a Deer Chi, does it have a level topline or a roached topline, does it have a high or low set tail, what about the feet? should they be round or oval? What are the deer chi's proportions supposed to be? Most deer head chi breeders have thrown the rest of the dog out the window and only concentrating on the length of head and the length of legs, what about the rest of the dog, what is it supposed to look like. AKC has nothing to do with a breeding program and really doesnt have to be involved, you can breed CKC thats fine but what about breeding towards a goal. When you breed two chi's what influences your decision to cross those two dogs? Is one lacking in one area and you bred it to a dog stronger in that area? Or is it just because they are cute, if you are breeding for strictly cuteness and health you could breed mutts to accomplish those goals. Without a goal in type you will wind up with something that looks like a mutt. Mutts are fine but people dont go looking to buy a chi that looks like a mutt.

[Mlynnmich98445]

Thank you windial well said that was the point I was attempting to make but you did a much better job than me!

People are just randomly breeding these "deer" chihuahuas and so many Chihuahuas out their look like a Chi mix their are no goals or standards to the deer so for a person looking to buy a chihuahua it would make it very hard to decipher whether they are getting a chi or a mix breed also makes it easier for some one to pass off a chi mix as a chi and scamming people out of their money.

Their has to either be a seperate standard set for them or no breeding of them at all is all I'm saying which is why I choose not to breed Deer chihuahuas....

[man best friend]

For any body that would like to know about deer head chihuahua. As with so many breeds the chihuahua origins are unclear there are two theories how they come about. The evidence show they come from Central and South America. They go back to the Toltec civilization in the 9 century and the breed name then was Techichi When the Spanish conquered the Aztecs in the late 1500 hundred the Techichi faded into obscurity. The standard for the deer head go back to the 9 century long before akc. The short haired chihuahua as we know today was discovered in 1850 in chihuahua MEXICO. This is where they took the name chihuahua. They began showing them in 1890. a chihuahua named Midget was the first chihuahua registered with akc in 1904. S o you can see again the deer head chihuahua standard was set 54 years be for the akc register there first chihuahua. And 54 years just going back to 1850 to 1904 i not going to try and count from the 9 century. Wind dial don't try and give me lesson on chihuahua and i hope your not referring my dogs as mutts.

[man best friend]

Shedevailx if you go back to were you said to me like you really take your breeding seriously what did you mean if you don't mine!! me asking

[man best friend]

Wind.dial you can say any thing you like about me you down my dogs it p me off so if you don't have anything nice to say about them don't say nothing an leave it at that . I have tried to be nice about this but it could get ugly. and you can bring your kijiji click with you and one more thing you need to get your facts right you cant find anywhere on here where i said i cross deer head and apple head i have both i bred deer head just so happen i love both type